Is This Obama's War?
Today marks the first 9/11 anniversarry with a new POTUS holding the reigns of the American military. In case anyone has forgotten, we are still involved in the wars that event kicked off. How has the new POTUS handled the job of defender of the free world? That is what is coming to light in this week. Ben pointed this out to me, and I thank him. Presidential policies matter in world events and during a hot war, they matter to each and every volunteer in our armed services because their careers, reputations, and especially their lives may be called on the line at any moment.
So, let us examine the president's performance in the war effort. August 31, 09 the McClatchy reported that the Pentagon is Worried About Obama's Commitment to Afghanistan.
[The prospect that U.S. Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal may ask for as many as 45,000 additional American troops in Afghanistan is fueling growing tension within President Barack Obama's administration over the U.S. commitment to the war there.]
Violence has been escalating in Afganistan and three different polls indicate support for the war in Afghanistan is declining in the American public. Obama and staff are said to have thought there would be more support for the Afghan war effort though they criticized the Iraq war effort as wrong. (??) Dopes! The left don't support any military action or use unless its peaceful. Without decisive action, of course the people don't want to be involved in putting troops into engagement with their hands manacled. War is not a place or time for half measures. The POTUS position is one of leadership, not polling the public for followship.
[However, administration officials said that amid rising violence and casualties, polls that show a majority of Americans now think the war in Afghanistan isn't worth fighting. With tough battles ahead on health care, the budget and other issues, Vice President Joe Biden and other officials are increasingly anxious about how the American public would respond to sending additional troops.]
The troop level assessment indicates bureaucracy is hampering military effectiveness. It isn't specifically stated, but the indication is that this bureaucracy is rolling down from the administration, a fear running through the brass that an 'incident' may be used to prosecute military staff and nobody wants to fall on their proverbial sword to cover the president's political ass since his administration is demonstrating their own willingness to be the political steam roller that threatens them, so brass will not take the necessary risks to win this war.
[The assessment also calls for more U.S. government civilians to be sent to Afghanistan and for the streamlining of the military's command structure, saying that too much bureaucracy is making it difficult for commanders to make decisions on the ground.]
Tuesday September 8, 09. McClatchy again, this time reporting about the cost to troops in blood due to the indecisive commanders in the field afraid to risk an incident. "We're Pinned Down!" 4 US Troops Die in Afghan Ambush
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[U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren't near the village.]
Back to the Pentagon is worried piece; at the same time that the violence is escalating and the troops are suffering greater losses, due to bureaucratic failure to risk an incident, the commanders are feeling added pressure to make progress. Bureaucracies suck. They suck exponentially when a commander in chief adds fear in his officers by his indecisive waffling for fear of criticism from the world and its left leaning press.
[ Meanwhile, U.S. military commanders in Kabul feel the political clock ticking, saying they think they have no more than 18 months to show some kind of progress, even as most agree that they don't have enough troops.]
Taliban's Growth in Afghanistan's North Threatens to Expand War Friday August 28, 09 McClatchy
This kind of crap is what encourages our enemies to hang on, if they just hold out, America will defeat itself. Eight years in and now we're seeing a growth in the Taliban in Afghanistan. Mr. President, be the leader you have to be. If you could see past your ego, you might recognize that George Bush was a far superior intellect if for no other reason than his commitment to finish what he started. Oh but wait, this isn't YOUR war, is it? Today, at least four military men would say, "No, it isn't."
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Deliver our heros from death and let the plans of those who hate peace fail, and their bullets fall to the ground. Most High God, we ask for You to defend those who defend the weak — surround them with Your favor as a shield. May Your angels guard them and lead them out of the snares of the wicked.
I have so many feelings around this story that I have no words.
So basically we now have the national equivalent of a hole in the ground where the only real change is the leadership. Our troops are dying over there to what end? We took out the Taliban not out of any high-minded goal, but because the idiots got in our way and tried to stall the pursuit of Bin Laden. They've been reduced to the status of feuding warlords and we're not getting anything out of this since the region still isn't stable and probably will never be.
Inside Passage is a quiter--the US military is NOT. We can still WIN in Afghanistan just like we did in Iraq. Afghanistan was "left to fester in its own rot" in the 1990's which allowed Al Qaeda and the Taliban to train and come to America to kill over 3,000 civilians in September 2001. No, Afghanistan cannot be left alone because with the opium trade of several billion dollars annually, the likes of Al Qaeda and the Taliban will be coming back to kill you and your family. We cannot let that happen again--REMEMBER 9/11! The job in Afghanistan is not over yet...it just needs more focus--more than Iraq. The threat to America from Afghanistan is larger today in 2009 than Iraq was in 2003. Now is the time to complete the job, not run away as you recommend. We may also have to go into Somalia where Al Qaeda now trains their new recruits in 2009 just like Afghanistan in 1998--with 4 of them recently rolled up in Australia--who just as easily reached America to attack us again.
The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11. Claiming they did is stupidity or a bald-faced lie. I'm not sure which. That was an attack by Al'Qaeda, and while Al'Qaeda has offered its support to the Taliban because it's the anti-American thing to do, pretending they secretly worked together to kill us on 9/11 is garbage. Using 9/11 as a political tool like that is an insult to everyone that died that day. You do not use their deaths for your propaganda. That is filthy and vile.
I'm not saying the Taliban is good. They got what they had coming when they deliberately stepped in our way to stop us from going after Bin Laden. They're no longer in power, and they've been reduced to the level of just another pack of mongrels fighting for it.
You talk about focus on goals like you have any idea how to solve the problem when not even Bush and his administration claimed to have any such power. Afghanistan's problems go way beyond Iraq's; at least Iraq has some understanding of what stability, law and order are like even if it took place under a tyrant.
This isn't a matter of running away.Taliban hasn't achieved crap except killing some of our soldiers, who we have been willingly feeding them like a blood sacrifice ever since we walked in. We haven't achieved anything except removing them from power. We won't achieve anything even in 100 years, because the people sending our troops over there have no reason to care about Afghanistan other than as a place to take potshots at terrorists.
Continuing to do the same thing over and over when you are achieving nothing and will achieve nothing is insanity. You're talking about nation-building and that's something nobody in our government has any clue how to do.
We should have nuked them, not invaded. Disproportionate, my ass! Their objectives are genocide and total world domination.
Again, I will point out that using the 9/11 victims as a tool of propaganda the way you are doing now is beyond disrespectful. The two have nothing to do with each other. Those victims are not an excuse to start war with any country that happens to have some terrorists in it.Using them like that is unconscionable.
The issue is stark and plain: survival of limited, constitutional, secular, republican government and a free market economy which is under attack by a theocratic tyranny which persists after nearly 1400 years in a barbarian quest for total global dominance.
Islam is persistent. Islam is implacable. Islam is patient. Islam can not quit because it has a demonic mandate. We needed to Nuke Afghanistan, for two reasons. First, to put a permanent end to the existence of Islam in that geographic area. Second, to warn the world that we have the means, will and resolve to usher our enemy into Hell. Anything short of that is a total and complete waste availing nothing.
It is not possible to establish security, justice & economic infrastructure in a society under insurrection.
It is not possible to sort out the barbarians from the passive citizens because of the language barrier, unfamiliarity with individuals and the culture and ongoing terrorism. We build it, the next week they blow it up. Then we start over again.
That is the ultimate extreme of damn fool idiocy.
The local constabulary & military are full of Muslims, each one eagerly awaiting an opportunity to shoot us in the back. Dependency on them is damnfoolery of the worst sort.
We can usher them into Hell or free them from Allah's yoke of slavery. All other paths lead to defeat.
Afghanistan & Iraq are proof of the fact that we failed the mid terms & final exam in Vietnam.
The stated strategic objectives are totally impossible, idiotic in the extreme. Failure to identify and characterize the enemy with accuracy leads to defeat.
The enemy is Islam. Not al-Qaeda. Not Taliban. Not J. I. Not radicals. Not extremists. Islam. Muslims. Every person on the face of the earth who believes or feigns belief in Allah as the divine creator of the world and Muhammad as his final and ultimate messenger is the enemy of all mankind, always was and always will be so long as he persists in that belief. No exceptions.
Islam is permanent war. From 610 to Judgment Day; continuous, against everyone who does not submit to enslavement by Allah. Those who are too strong or too determined to resist effectively can, at best, win a temporary truce. All others will be conquered or intimidated into submission. No exceptions in the long term.
The Qur'an, hadith, Sira, exegeses & Islamic jurisprudence. are absolutely clear and congruent on the issue, as I have frequently proved in my blog posts.
Muslims have been told, and believe, that Allah will grant them victory. They are promised triumph, total world conquest. To the extent that they believe it and attempt to realize it, they are deadly enemies to all men who would live free and at peace.
Our choices are perpetual asymmetrical attack leading to the final conquest, death or slavery as opposed to the complete elimination of Islam from the face of the earth. Damn fools, traitors and liars can not accept that fatal fact and will slither, sidestep, tap dance, deny and distract attention away from it.
Call it final solution, call it holocaust, call it genocide, be a G'd'd liar. Nothing will change the fact that the conflict is existential! Islam is persistent, implacable and patient. It seeks weakness. It seeks lack of resolution. Wherever it finds them, it attacks.
When we give an inch anywhere, they will take a yard somewhere. When we give a yard, they will take a mile. G'd'd fools do not comprehend the concepts of supremacism & triumphalism. They are misguiding us, and disaster is the only possible result.
It is not possible to make Afghanistan, Iraq or any Gd'd place free, democratic, prosperous and anodyne without rendering it un-Islamic. So long as those places are inhabited by Muslims, they will be sponsors and supporters of terrorism. They will be training and staging areas for future attacks. They will be unstable, unjust and violent environments. There is absolutely no other possibility.
The use of nuclear weapons, delivered by missiles from a safe distance, was the only practical way to achieve victory without loss of American and allied lives and treasure. Invasion was a damned fool's errand, totally wasteful and counterproductive.
Blow a few million Muslims into Hell with a flash of fire and the remnant will have second thoughts about Allah's promises of victory,. triumph and dominance. Waste thousands of lives and billions of dollars, with constant bitching, wailing & caterwauling about casualties with demands for quitting, pulling out, negotiating, etc., and other Muslims will be encouraged, emboldened, and their belief in triumph reinforced, resulting in escalating attacks.
The few mentally competent people reading this may benefit from the factual information contained in the following resources which they may download free and peruse at leisure.
EgregiousAyat.chm, Qur'an.chm, Sahih Bukhari.chm, Islamic Terror.chm,
Jihad.chm, What's Wrong With Islam/Muslims.chm, Islamic Supremacism, FOMIJihad.chm.
George Bush is better than you. Obama is better than you. For all their so-called extremist views, not one of them would commit the atrocities you are so happily willing to commit. Not even Israel, some of whose actually had to endure the Holocaust would commit that crime against humanity. That's probably because they actually understand the horrors of genocide, unlike you.
God may have created liberty in the form of free will, but he has laid no commandments down for it, one of the great reasons why so-called good Christians have felt it completely acceptable to enslave others in the distant past. An attack on liberty is not an attack on God. Quite frankly, I've always considered the "they hates our freedom" to be a particularly stupid quote. They hate us for not worshipping their god or because we interfere in their lands or whatever the hell excuse they want to murder. They don't hate us because we have liberty.
If victory is so amazing against the morale of the enemy, how is it that even in the face of the crusades, Islam has prospered and spread even into countries that are so-called Christian and Jewish states?
The answer is obvious. The "victory" of a battle is meaningless to people who truly believe in something. If the Israeli state was wiped from the face of the map as some want, would the Jewish people be so demoralized they'd curl up and die, never to be seen again? Of course not. The victory is meaningless.
They ain't done yet. They have a demonic mandate to kill the last Jew. Read Sahih Muslim 41.6985 and get a Goddamn clue.
Moe said that Jesus Christ will return, "break the cross" and "kill the pigs". Ibn Kathir said that Jesus, along with the Muslims, would kill the Jews. Those sayings are fully documented in "The Defamation of Jesus Christ".
You can't get a clue. Those who attempt to substitute anal sphincters for brains can't comprehend the fact that eliminating the killer is the only way to stop the killing spree.
Islam will continue killing people, wholesale & retail, until someone ushers it into Hell. You are too stupid to comprehend that fatal fact. What a shame!
You talk all this about how every last Muslim is evil whether they're aggressive or not and how they all deserve to die. You suggest your own demonic mandate to murder every last Muslim whether they've done anything or not. Don't mind the collateral damage to everyone else either, it's a war and everyone else must die too for your filthy little goals.
Nuclear assaults send everyone to Hell, not just Islam. Apparently you don't grasp the concept that nuclear fallout doesn't choose between Muslims, Christians, Jews or anyone else. Maybe if you'd loose your bloodthirsty mindset for a few minutes, you'd be able to figure that out. Notice that despite people agreeing with you that Islamist extremism is bad, nobody's joining your demand for a second Holocaust? It's because you are an extremist, no better than the Nazis and jihadists you so viciously hate. You don't seem to understand that what made them evil was their actions, not who they committed it against. That's complete moral failure.
How about it, Judgebob? Do you think we should nuke Afghanistan, Iran, and all the rest of them and murder every last Muslim man, woman and child? Forget political correctness and just slaughter them like the filthy pigs they are just for being Muslim?
How about you, Jennjeff?
Islam's demon commands his votaries to kill & commit genocide; engage in perpetual warfare.
Moe suborned murder. As the founder of Islam, he exemplified standard issue, orthodox Islam. The torture death of Kinana and the genocide of the Banu Qurayza are prime examples. The founder's example is the standard, not extremism.
Islam is evil. Its doctrines and practices are the most execrable. Genocide & terrorism are Islamic sacraments. Doubters & dissenters should review What's Wrong With Islam/Muslims?, following all the links.
Islam's genocidal jihad can only be stopped by ending the existence of Islam. The facts behind that statement are documented in the final paragraphs of the International Qur'an Petition. Being killed in battle is a Muslim's only guaranteed ticket to a good seat in the celestial bordello.
My goals are liberty, peace, security & prosperity. Those can only be obtained and secured by eliminating Islam from the face of the earth. This is true because Islam is an exclusively predatory institution. Islam steals and extorts, it does not produce. Its doctrines mandate perpetual war. It punishes passivity and rewards aggression.
Modern warhead designs and advanced meteorology reduce the risk of harm from stray fallout.
In a society unwilling to tolerate battle casualties, there is no alternative to using the most effective and efficient weaponry, the kind that ended war in the Pacific Theater before I was born.
"Islamic extremism" is a shibboleth. No such entity exists. Genocidal jihad is intrinsic to standard issue Islam. Those damned fools who will not read Surah Al-Anfal and Sahih Bukhari's Books of Jihad, Khumus & Expedition can not comprehend this fatal fact.
Self defense is not evil. Killing those who set out to kill us is not evil. Destroying the Barbarians who set out to destroy our civilization is not evil. Muslims are commanded to fight; to wage perpetual war against us. They are promised admission to Paradise if they do and eternal damnation if they do not. They will. Converting or killing them are the only acceptable options. Converting is preferable, killing is possible. Us or them. You say us; I say them.
The idiot box brings war into our living rooms. It magnifies & multiplies the casualty rate, reducing social stamina and resolve. That phenomenon is the primary cause of our defeat in Vietnam.
The resolve & dedication required to fight long and bloody wars is lacking. Its quick & cheap with minimal casualties or certain defeat.
Before you choose defeat as your fate, observe the lives of Christians in Egypt and Pakistan. Observe the pogroms recently endured by Hindus in India. Observe the Christians burned to death in their churches in Kenya and Nigeria. Consider the fate of Christians killed and thrown down wells in Aceh.
You do not comprehend the meaning of defeat until you have read and understood the Pact of Umar. Dhimmis can not own weapons nor ride horses. They can not build or maintain churches. They can not testify against a Muslim in court. They can not ring bells, display crosses or pray aloud in public. They are shoved into the ditch. When they pay the Jizya, the Imam is seated on a throne, he seizes your beard with his left and and slaps your mandibular joint with his right.
In Egypt, Coptic girls are drugged, abducted and raped.; The police don't give a damn. Copts are assaulted and murdered with impunity. That is dhimmitude. I want no Goddamn part of it.
Did I make that clear for you?
Despite your constant insistence of what the Kuran says a good Muslim must be, you've never ever been able to address the fact that not all Muslims are like that. It doesn't matter that they've never done you a single wrong and never will, they must be evil because they're -supposed- to be. This is the height of ignorance, the lowest of propaganda. Actions are what make people guilty, not beliefs. To step on that is spitting on freedom of speech, something you claim to appreciate. Except that only non-Muslims are allowed that freedom of speech, because Muslims are all -supposed- to hate freedom of speech and it doesn't matter that they don't all feel that way.
You say us or them, I say both. Learn the differenc, bigot.
Existential conflict means that one side is determined to kill the other and will not stop attempting to execute its genocidal designs until it has succeeded.
Do it to them first is the only rational response to existential attack. This is why Israel launched a preemptive attack in 1967. Unfortunately, Israel did not completely comprehend the concept and allowed her enemies to continue living so that they continue to threaten and attack her. If you had a brain you could learn from her mistake.
Islam is a static doctrine of perpetual conquest. Its violence can only be terminated by terminating its existence. This is the lesson of 1386 years of history, the fatal lesson you can't learn because you attempt to think with your anus instead of a brain.
All Muslims are Muslims, subscribers to Allah's damnable doctrines. Those doctrines are enshrined in the Qur'an,. exemplified by Moe's Sunna & Sira and inculcated in every madrassa.
Muslims pray for "victory over the non believing people". Their pride is invested in the restoration of Islam's glory: an empire that dominated nearly half the earth.
An individual Muslim who does not agree with and internalize the Islamic sacraments of conquest, genocide & terror should quit the war cult and cease supporting it.
Every Muslim believes that he is superior, we are inferior and that he has a duty to kill us and seize our property. Every Muslim prays for victory. Every Muslim pays Zakat which is used to arm, train & support the Mujahideen attacking us on the front lines as well as behind our lines. The HLF raised $13,000,000. in America and sent it to Hamas. This is a clue for those who think with brains, not anuses.
Beliefs spur actions. Muslim riots always occur after Juma prayer services, with few exceptions. What is preached in the Mosques is performed in the streets.
Muslims are tested by their actions: good Muslims join the Jihad. This is a clue for those who are capable of cognition.
Islam proscribes any negative expression about Allah, his book, his messenger and their doctrines & practices. The penalty for such expressions is death. This information is contained in Reliance of the Traveler, Book O.
Only Muslims have rights; we have none. Goddamn fools, analencephalopaths, LibTurds & multiculturalists are incapable of comprehending this fatal fact.
Until you become a Muslim, you have no rights! You only obtain rights by becoming a Muslim!
Our blood and property are not sacred to Muslims until we become Muslims. We are the prey, the season is open and there is no bag limit.
While there is a "right" to propagate the damnable doctrines of Islam and practice their damnable rituals, we have no rights. No right to live. No right to human dignity. No right to own and enjoy property.
The right to live can not coexist with the right to conquer. The right to own property can not coexist with the right to plunder. Human dignity can not coexist with the right to rape and enslave.
Granting any rights to Islam and Muslims is suicidal!!!
My expressions are harsh and explicit because I do not suffer fools gladly.
This is a matter of life and death, liberty and slavery, prosperity and peonage. We will not be alive, free and prosperous unless Islam ceases to exist. This is the fatal fact which none dare contemplate.
I contemplate it. I declare it. I document it.
EgregiousAyat.chm: 4 tables containing the most egregious Qur'anic verses [Hilali & Khan]; 1 table containing the most egregious sayings. 6.723MB Zipped. Links to source & Ibn Kathir's Tafsir. Approximately 2000 tafsir topics. The Jihad Chapter from Reliance of the Traveler.A new chapter tells how to extract URLs from external links so you can link to ayat & ahadith without using the URLGenerator. Qur'an.chm: Noble Quran trans: Hilali & Khan; Surah # added to each Ayat for accurate quoteing. No commentary. 900KB Zipped.Sahih Bukhari.chm Trans. Khan. Not absolutely complete. The web standard. Approx 7,000 sayings, 2500 discrete. 3.017MB Zipped. Sahih Muslim.chm: 2.758MB Zipped.Malik's Muwatta.chm: 805KB Zipped.Sunan Abu-Dawud.chm: 908KB Zipped.IbnKathir.chm: The most widely accepted exegeses of the Qur'an. Abridged, approximately 3000 topics. Content matches that of www.tafsir.com; information on linking to tafsir topics is included in EgregiousAyat.chm. 8.481MB Zipped.Reliance Of The Traveller.chm 944K Zipped; 1.014MB expanded. Books A-F & O have internal contents links.Contents, Search & Favorites tabs, no Index. This is the handbook of Sharia. Rules of Jihad are in Book O. Not interactive with other volumes. Once you have a Book open, use the CTL F key combination to open the Windows Search tooll to zero in on your subject. New 09/22/08.Islamic Terror.chm [30.4KB] A 6 part series from Freedom Ain't Free. New 10/07/08 *Jihad.chm [45KB] A 6 part series from Freedom Ain't Free. New 10/07/08 **Placed in the public domain for non-commercial use; repost at will. These files contain the most essential evidence, linked to source documents for easy verification . You can copy from the text pane and paste into a wysiwyg editor; (Kompozer.exe) format & links will be preserved. This way you can share vital information through emails and blog or forum posts. Not interactive with other books.What's Wrong With Islam/Muslims.chm [23KB]. New 10/11/08. A single blog post that informs Kuffar and sticks the facts in Islam's eye in the most effective manner. Placed in the public domain for non-commercial use; repost at will. *Islamic Supremacism [49KB] A 3 part series from Freedom Ain't Free. New 01/02/09. Your only source for information about the origins of Islamic Supremacism. {Allah's damned book.}*FOMIJihad.chm [163.4KB] The Offensive Jihad thread from the now defunct FOMI anti Islam forum. This thread contains several significant quotes from Fiqh, both ancient and modern. It also has some interesting links to follow. New 01/06/09.
Your response to Inside Passage contains some good ideas, which are not expressed with sufficient clarity, opening the gates of confusion.
I suggest that you let that reply cool for a day or so, then pull it up and outline it as if someone else had authored it. Identify the critical elements, separate them, and re-write it. Evaluate the edited version for clarity and convert it into a blog post in its own right.
As blasphemy goes, I will continue to hold any suggestion of liberty as a god as trespass against the one true God. God tolerates no other gods large or small and this is part and parcel of his worship, set down in his commandments.
I call Islam a religion, because by definition it IS a religion. I don't care if it lives up to your standards of what a religion should be, I don't care if you consider it a cult, because according to some jerkweeds, Christianity can be defined as a cult the same as Islam can. It's a bunch of semantics nonsense with no relevance to the argument. Calling liberty the equivalent of Allah is borderline idiocy. Not even Ben worships liberty and that dude is the kind of rabid dog that would actually fall in for such. People may kill for it, but they certainly do not worship it as you've insisted you do not. It is not a god. It has no holy text, it has no people who believe that it will reward or punish them should they fail to worship it. You might name it a religion, but without any supernatural body, that's a meaningless claim.
Like it or not, I HAVE addressed your claim of crusading. There is no crusade. What we did in Afghanistan was an act of well-deserved aggression at a pack of fools stupid enough to get in our way. What we did in Iraq was nothing more than a politically motivated murderfest. Neither "crusade" (if we can even call it that) has had any impact on Islam, nor was it intended to unless you're going to suggest that Bush and company lied to us.
You talk about nukes so casually, as if they were no big thing. I mean, you know what they do, the massive destruction they wreak, the poison they spread far beyond where the nukes strike, don't you? Yet you act as if they were merely a bullet that might accidentally hit the wrong bystander? Are you that willfully blind? This goes beyond mere "political correctness".
A nuclear attack on Afghanistan in the scope of what Ben suggests would irradiate every one of its neighbors and likely beyond. I'm sure you don't care much about Iran, but that includes several of which are our allies, or at least have a passive relationship with us - India, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkminestan.
And then there's China. Nature can probably extend that to Israel, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Of course, if we're doing Afghanistan, screw political correctness, let's take out Iran too. Which means the whole region is a radioactive pit. Congratulations, you just solved all of our oil problems and took out the holy land of the jews in the process. Not to mention alienated every single one of our allies and pissed off our biggest competition. There's fallout, then there's fallout.
I don't expect Ben to think this out. He has all the grace of a suicide bomber and all the charm of Hitler. You on the other hand, you know better. Really, Judgebob, what the heck? You talk about wasting your time, but then throw out absolute nonsense like this like it's no big thing.
Why is it that you don't have the brass to speak as Ben does, to say straight out that genocide is perfectly acceptable, that the same is true of a second holocaust, yet defend the use of nukes? Ben's noticed the same thing, it's why he calls you down for not speaking with clarity. Are you afraid to take that step? If so, believing as strongly as you do, why?
As far as actions go, I'll remind you of something. When two people are fighting and one of them shoots you to take out the other, not caring whether you live or die, it doesn't matter in the least to you whether they were in the right to take out the other guy or not unless you're a fool. You wouldn't take that, I wouldn't take that, nobody would take it. The tool who did it would get a beating at best, if not a shot in the face
Islam is like a pit bull. It takes a firm grip and it does not let go. It withdraws when tired, rests and comes back for more blood.
The concept of existential conflict is difficult to convey. Likened to a territorial animal, Islam has a large territory; the entire planet. It demands a total monopoly on faith and practice. It tolerates no competition.
In translating Al-Anfal 39, Abdullah Yusuf Ali says "altogether and everywhere", Hilali & Khan say "in the whole of the world". The others say that the religion must be for Allah alone or his entirely.
Shirk is defined as assigning partners to Allah. That definition encompasses polytheism and Christianity's trinity concept. Note Ibn kathir's title for his tafsir of this ayeh. The Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and Kufr .
Fight them until... it is an open ended imperative. It ends only when a compound condition is met: resistance ceases and only Allah is worshiped on a global scale.
People with scriptural religions can either embrace Islam or make annual extortion payments and endure a sub human condition of humiliation & disenfranchisement.
Atheists and polytheists must be killed.
That is Islamic law; from Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Ch. 9. I added the emphasis.
The issue of genocide is implicit in two ayat. 8:67 sets making a great slaughter as prerequisite for holding captives for ransom. 47:4 uses a different expression: smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them,.
The post surrender genocide of the Banu Qurayzah serves as a guide to Moe's successors.
Islam is intent on the complete extermination of paganism, Judaism and Christianity. According to their prophecy, Jesus Christ will finish the job when he returns.
Moe also prophesied that the Muslims could not obtain admission to Paradise until they kill the last Jew. This is the infamous genocide hadith.
Genocide is an intrinsic sacrament of Islam. Us or them. Rational people will say them.
Muslims go to Jihad or go to Hell.
Rational people reading that will comprehend the fact that Islam will not be deterred from genocidal aggression. It must persist therein because it is their only hope of salvation.
These are facts; facts which are fatal to the idiocy you foolishly expect us to accept.
So long as they are populated by Muslims, Afghanistan, Iraq & Pakistan will always be state sponsors of terrorism. There is no other possibility. For some unknown reason, some people are incapable of comprehending this reality.
It certainly is regarded as sacred.
2.formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage:They attended worship this morning.
We certainly do hold ceremony over it.
3.adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
It certainly is adored.
4.the object of adoring reverence or regard.
It certainly is the object of adoration and reverence.
5.(initial capital letter) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually prec. by Your, His, or Her).
at every professional game, at the opening of the Congress, etc,
7.to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).
This is the one point you may be somewhat correct, except for the fact that so many who do not pay homage to any will pay homage and reverence to liberty.
9.to attend services of divine worship.
It has its own holiday, its own image and symbols, its own theology and priests, it is hallowed even where God is not allowed. 10.
to feel an adoring reverence or regard.
weeping and singing and anger over breeches of protocol and dishonoring it. What more do you need for proof?
Finally, I want to address one more misconception. Nukes are huge. They are capable of vast damage, some in multiple strikes from a single platform. However, they do NOT WIPE OUT ENTIRE COUNTRIES. They are capable of wiping out entire cities but not countries. Fallout is a problem for days, not weeks and years. The cloud dissipates to what the experts have termed 'acceptable levels' in days. The immediate strike zone is 'hot' for years but the surrounding blast area is usable in weeks. Your imagination has run wild with the 'idea' of nukes. Now, should we worry about a cloud floating over a neighboring country? Of course. But let's be clear. Your reticence isn't about the neighbors and it isn't about the soil. Your reticence is all about the condemnation of America for invoking the nuclear option.
I started out wobbly on the topic of genocide, but I've never advocated genocide. I finally came to the conclusion I could not advocate for genocide. You seem to be equating the nuclear option with genocide. When we bombed Japan we did threaten genocide, but it was an empty threat. We'd already used our entire nuclear arsenal. We weren't about to let the Japanese know that. They never would have surrendered had they known it would take us a year to produce another one. The point in that little tale is the morale issue I keep bringing up. If the jihadi's knew we will use every means at our disposal and if the Muslim people knew we are truly serious about dismembering all of our enemies, they would not be sending their young men to feckless doom. Their self proclaimed leaders would not be able to convince the young men they will earn a place in heaven with 72 virgins if their deaths are not in any way an advance of Islam. The whole lot from top to bottom would be condemned by their culture for 'wasting' their lives for nothing. That is the kind of spirit breaking force we should be using whatever it takes.
Given that (unless I missed it) you were unwilling to disagree with Ben that genocide/holocaust were an acceptable solution, and ultimately supported his assertion that nukes are acceptable (though he believes in scorched earth, not tactical strikes), it's hard to tell. You talk about how we have to be willing to step beyond political correctness to utterly destroy the enemy, but seem to believe that can be achieved like with Japan. That's dangerously naive.
God never ordered the slaughter of a nation. He ordered the extermination of a religion, and the method didn't involve a genocide. Quite frankly, I don't think you have the sand required to to conduct this the way god ordered that conducted to his prophet, much less openly support it, even though its far short of Ben's animalistic ravings.
You've said that liberty as a god is a trespass against God, but that this is why liberty is a Crusade. However, you go on to support said Crusade. Given that according to your logic, that crusade is on behalf of another god, you are trespassing against your own God by fighting it. You crusade for God. Not liberty.
I will also point out that nationalism is not the same thing as a religion, unless we're going to posit the ridiculous notion that every single patriotic person is a worshipper at the temple of their nation with their constitution as a holy text. It doesn't fly.
Nukes: I am perfectly aware of the results of nukes. This isn't my imagination running wild, it was taking Ben's "scorched afghanistan/islam" scenario to its logical conclusion. No tactical strikes, simply turning the region to glass. An attack on that scale is what he is demanding. He wants genocide, an outright holocaust. Again, I was under the impression that you supported his position and didn't have the sand to say it outright. The fallout from his scenario would likely involve us being wiped off the face of the map for pure stupid. We're not talking about tears over what other nations might think of us, that's only part of the fallout from his scenario.
As that's not the case, I assume that you're interested in a repeat of Hiroshima against Muslims. You seem to think this is an effective strategy against a people who have no central nation to defend, and are perfectly willing to die for their cause. After all - what can we do to their people in Palestine, Israel, or the USA? Nuke them? The idea is failure.
His idea -might- work, but the sacrifice is unacceptable. The sacrifice(s) include;
1. The purest form of blasphemy against God, condemning us all to Hell.
2. A poisoned and borderline liveable planet.
3. The likely destruction of our country or severe diminishment.
4. Loss of any allies, and the resulting fallout of that.
5. The destruction of Israel.
That's just a start.
"Some Muslims are terrorists" SnakeShit! Islam is terrorism! If you had read the Qur'an, you might be aware of the content of 3:151, 8:12, 9:60, 33:26-27, 59:2 & 59:13. If you had read the hadith, you might know that Moe was "made victorious by terror".
Instead, you know nothing but what is false. You are politically correct. We prefer to be factually accurate.
This is what MADONNA the HAG Considers 'freedom'
Bondage sex... Imagine what this OLD HAG teaches her children?
Madonna, first you make the Catholic Church SICK, with you DEBAUCHERY, then you go to the Kaballah Center with a cross to make the Jews SICK.
YOU HATE GOD, Madonna, and you know what? God does NOT approve of YOU.
He does NOT approve of this:
BLASPHEMY
http://THE-POPE-HATES-MADONNA-TOO
VIDEO: Madonna Booed in Romania for Supporting Gypsies and Gays ...
NOBODY, nobody 'likes' YOU Madonna, NOBODY.
REPENT or PERISH.